Inside Out Horse Training

Inside Out Horse Training Natural Horsemanship from the inside out. Owned by Denise Lesnik
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06/19/2026

Super again Amy Skinner!

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I was on a long flight, sandwiched between an older woman and a younger woman.
The older woman, seated by the window, was fussing with her phone and becoming visibly frustrated. I asked if she needed help.

“My headphones won’t connect,” she said. “I downloaded movies for the flight, but I can’t hear any of them.”

I took a look at her phone, checked the settings, and made sure everything appeared to be connected properly. Satisfied, I handed it back to her.

“It still isn’t working,” she said.
Now she was becoming increasingly upset. The prospect of spending the next five hours without her movies seemed to be creating genuine anxiety.

I was puzzled. Everything I had done should have worked.
The younger woman in the aisle seat perked up and offered to help.
“I work in tech support,” she said.

She took the phone, checked a few things, and then handed it back to the older woman with exactly the same result.

She took the woman’s headphones from her, handed back the phone, and said, “This should work now. But I need you to put the headphones in very slowly and carefully.”

The woman nodded and did exactly as instructed.
This time, it worked.

Within moments she was happily watching her movie.

Once she was settled, I asked the younger woman what she had done differently.

“Nothing,” she said.
“I did the exact same thing you did. But when she was anxious, she kept jamming the headphones into her ears and accidentally pressing the mute button. I just needed to slow her down.”
Then she winked and added:
“Ninety percent of tech support is keeping the client calm.”

That comment struck me harder than she probably intended.

As riding instructors, trainers, coaches, and teachers, we often assume our job is to provide solutions. We spend years accumulating knowledge, building skills, and collecting answers.
But a panicked rider can find nine hundred problems for every one solution.

Often the solution is surprisingly simple:

The horse needs a clearer rhythm.
The rider needs to breathe.
The hands need to soften.
The rider needs to look up.
The horse needs more forward.
Simple things.

But anxiety has a remarkable ability to press the mute button on good information.

When people become overwhelmed, they stop hearing. They stop feeling. They stop processing. In their effort to solve the problem, they unknowingly recreate it over and over again.
I’ve found that some of the most effective teaching doesn’t come from knowing more answers. It comes from helping someone become calm enough to receive the answer that is already there.
The solution may be simple.

It may even be free.
But no solution can land on anxious ears.
Sometimes the first step in helping someone isn’t fixing the problem.
It’s helping them stop pressing mute.

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06/18/2026

Once again, Amy Skinner nails it!

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An entire industry has been created selling you the idea that there is a method to fix every problem.

What is extremely popular is a video for every problem, and for every fix there are three more problems created, for which there’s a method to fix too. It leads to a form of restlessness wherein people are rarely satisfied with improvements, in their own bodies and in the horses, because there are always more problems not yet fixed.

I get asked nearly daily to create a video about specific problems (I saw your video on trailer loading, but what about loading a chestnut mare into an Adam trailer?). These can be helpful to see, but the mentality over time has shifted into specifics instead of looking at the big picture.

Good, all encompassing horsemanship creates a foundation wherein problems melt away holistically. If you understand how all things connect, you stop seeing things individually, but as a whole. You have to fix the whole and stop looking for quick solutions.

Teaching people to be actual horsemen, to stop looking for quick tips and tricks, to start seeing the whole and the connection of all things, means rewiring our minds from conditioning and marketing over the past decades.

So if you have a problem, it isn’t living in isolation. It’s part of a whole picture. And you have to look at, and feed the whole, for the symptoms to melt away. Husbandry is in hand work is trailer loading is riding and so on - they all roll into each other

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06/16/2026

This Friday! We still have some room, if you're interested in trying this excellent class.

06/05/2026
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05/24/2026

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There’s a quiet grief many animal people carry when they begin seeing things differently.

Because once you realize how much of traditional animal handling was built around suppression instead of understanding…
you can’t fully unsee it.

You notice how often animals are praised for tolerating discomfort.
How often fear gets labeled as “respect.”
How often shutdown gets mistaken for calmness.

And for a while, it can feel heartbreaking.

But then something beautiful starts happening too.

You begin noticing the tiny signs of aliveness returning.

The horse who starts expressing opinions again.
The dog who becomes playful after years of hypervigilance.
The animal who finally realizes:
“I don’t have to disappear to be safe here.”

That moment changes both lives.

Because animals were never meant to be emotional machines built for human convenience.

They are nations unto themselves.
Full beings.
With inner worlds as rich and meaningful as our own.

And when we stop trying to dominate those worlds…
we get invited into them.

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05/08/2026

Some food for thought...

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Some of the most influential moments in my horsemanship haven’t come from other humans, but the horses themselves.

25 years ago, at the the very beginning of my journey into studying horses and horsemanship, I remember being particularly stricken by this scene in the Cloud mustang documentary…

A young filly has strayed from her family herd to mingle with local band stallions, and in spite of her attempts to return to her herd, she’s ultimately rounded up and kept by one of them.

And as her and a family member call to each other, we see one of the grazing senior horses pop their head up and pin their ears… “Stop that.”

In an attempt to understand and be more ethical with our domesticated horses, we often forget who they are, as nature made them.

We often worry about birth trauma, or weaning trauma, or the trauma of being separated from their family or horses they’ve established a bond with, or the trauma of changing facilities or ownership.

And yet when we observe them in nature, this ebb and flow of social connections is natural, and not without stress.

And in spite of it all, they just… get back to grazing.

In many ways, our fixation on horses being emotionally fragile is a mirror of our tendency to fixate on our own human fragility, rather than how incredibly resilient and adaptable we are.

Resilient has almost become a four letter word nowadays, with both horses and humans.

Now, I’m not saying we should allow an unnecessary amount of stress our horses lives because it’s ‘natural’ and they can ‘just deal with it,’ but I do think we should give pause and rethink this idea that they are so emotionally fragile.

And yet, we know most domesticated horses AREN’T adaptable, they DON’T ‘get back to grazing.’

Why is that? What are we doing wrong?

Modern humans, too, are increasingly more dysregated.

I think, just like the horse, this has a lot to do with living in a way that’s disconnected from our true needs and nature.

I’m not trying to tell anyone how to think.
But I do want you to think.

We’ve made up a lot of stories about who we think the horse is.

Going back to that documentary, something else I notice now, is that senior horse is clearly communicating to the calling youngster…

“Stop that. That’s enough. It’s time to get back to grazing.”

Behavior interruption and behavior extinction appear to be absolutely natural, and probably absolutely necessary, in a healthy, regulated herd.

Modern pundits might reject such an intervention as punitive.

We can study that filly and the behavior extinction she had when she stopped trying to return to her herd…

Modern pundits might label that learned helplessness, and yet that is not what that filly experienced in that life-changing moment, any more than a horse who’s learned to turn their back to the rain to withstand nature.

There are so many voices out there, telling us what to think, what to do.

And there’s a lot of discrepancy between what they’re describing, and what the horse is actually experiencing, and who the horse actually is.

We can’t get so caught up in being educated, that we stop seeing the horse as they are.

Sometimes we have to stop listening or reading, and start watching…

We're excited to share Julie Lesnik has announced her new endeavor, The Sanctuary School! Julie has so much to offer the...
04/16/2026

We're excited to share Julie Lesnik has announced her new endeavor, The Sanctuary School! Julie has so much to offer these hard working horses and their people!
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The Sanctuary School is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit dedicated to supporting the emotional wellness and dignity of lesson horses through immersive care, relational horsemanship, and public education.

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04/15/2026

Big Feelings

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A kind reader asked about Tern’s Big Feelings. How do these manifest themselves? What do they look like? I’m a huge fan of being able to honour and acknowledge the Big Feelings of our horses, so I’m going to tell you a little story, where you can see them in action.


Also, I should say that I have completely stolen ‘Big Feelings’ from someone else - the person who lodges at our field. It was such a clever expression, and now I am going to use it all the time. It’s expressive and evocative and obviously it has to have capital letters.


Tern the Bird came to us with established separation anxiety. When she went to work in her old job, she had to have a friend to travel with her. I saw the high anxiety the moment she arrived. I put her and the other two in fields divided only by a rail until I could work out that nobody was going to kick or bite anybody, but she freaked out so badly that I had to risk putting them together straight away because I thought she was going to give herself stress colic, or even injure a leg, because of the pacing and galloping.


Over the years, we’ve worked on the separation anxiety in two ways. One is building a relationship so that she feels safe and at home in her skin and her world. I think that the relationship bit helps horses feel safe with us, their humans, but also with themselves. And part of that is regulating and co-regulating the nervous system. (I’m so grateful to the people who taught me about this, because I once didn’t even know it existed or was possible.)


So there are the foundations, which help with everything, and then there are the specifics, which I’ve described before - you take them away and bring them back and you take them a little farther each time and you show them that everybody is still alive and the mountain lions did not come. It’s a kind of emotional reassurance and a building of resilience too.


No longer would she pace the rails or run into trees or give me frights. We did it! Hurrah!


Just as I was secretly thinking I really was quite clever I moved the herd into different living arrangements for spring. We are rotating the paddocks and doing general paddock management. (A man with a blue tractor comes to the magic field.) All this involved was literally a geographical difference of two hundred yards.


However, it clearly triggered something in Tern. THE BIG FEELINGS WERE RELEASED. All I had to do was take the red mare out of the new living area without paying attention and everything exploded.


Here are how the Big Feelings express themselves:


Shouting.

Wild pacing.

Actual full-on galloping, up and down, up and down. Ventre à Terre, as the clever French say.

Snorting.

Growing an entire hand.

Total refusal to focus or settle in any way.

Extreme physical activation and agitation.


It’s so funny, reading that list. Only a year or so ago I would feel a shame-sink of the heart. I worked so long and hard with my little bird, and we still have that long list. Just because we moved paddocks!


But here’s the thing. There’s nothing wrong with her and there is nothing wrong with me. I am a product of nature and nurture, just as she is, and in our DNA and in our history in the physical world we have developed certain reactions to things. Some of those reactions are non-desirable, and some of them can be changed almost in a heartbeat, and some of them are going to TAKE THREE YEARS.


Yes, they are.


We do not shame Big Feelings, not in our field. We do find ways to channel them and to manage them. I don’t want her turning herself inside out, but I’m not going to scold her or judge her.


It took four concentrated days. I went back to the basics. I did boundaries, and I did self-control. I actually did something I haven’t thought about for a while: I consciously directed her feet. This worked wonders. It really helped her. It wouldn’t, for instance, be nearly so helpful for Florence, but it did help Tern.


I took the red mare out and put her back in again. Then I took her out about another ten feet, and put her back in again. Then I left the red mare in place and walked back and forth to Tern. The red mare did ostentatiously dazzling Standing Still Olympics and I was so grateful to her I can’t even tell you. If she had wandered off, we might have been in trouble. But no, she knew I needed her help and she gave it, without stint.


Day by day, Tern remembered that she does have the capacity to control her own body. I did teach her that. My theory is that when they’ve evolved coping mechanisms - mostly to deal with fear or stress or uncertainty - they tend to revert to those in times of trouble. The red mare going away represented trouble.


Oh, and here’s the other thing. I really try not to mock or patronise my horses. I think it matters. I could tell her she was being silly, with all the Big Feelings and all, but I chose not to. I chose to honour what she was experiencing and not look down my snooty human nose. She was feeling what she was feeling. Fifty-seven million years of evolution were telling her she was going to die. I can’t scoff at that. I can keep myself safe and make sure she remembers there are lines she cannot cross, because she is half a ton and I don’t want to be run over, thank you very much. But scoff at her? No, I won’t do that.


We came back to equilibrium. We’ll probably have a bit of a swing and a wobble again, at some point. We’ll go on getting better. I will learn and she will learn and that’s how the Big Feelings, in the end, become something that don’t have to overset us completely.

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